Join RUBI and  Rich Logis, CEO & founder of Leaving MAGA, for a conversation about how we talk across the lines that divide independents, Democrats, and MAGA. Rich knows those lines from the inside. He spent years as a true-believing Trump supporter before leaving in 2022, and he started Leaving MAGA to help others who are rethinking where they stand. His focus now is on what it takes to reach people without writing them off — and how to keep the door open for folks who are ready to find their way out.

Rich Logis is a writer and  former MAGA pundit who supported Donald Trump from 2015 to 2022, building an audience through op-eds and his own podcast. After a long stretch of doubt, he left and founded Leaving MAGA, a community for people who have stepped away or are thinking about it. His work centers on reaching people still inside and standing alongside those finding their way out.

**Please note this briefing is on the second Wednesday of the month